Germans and Mustangs

"duurtlang" (duurtlang) 06/27/2014 at 07:45 • Filed to: None

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... apparently they're a decent match. I just snapped this picture from my living room here. While I hardly ever see a Mustang in my native the Netherlands, probably due to crippling emissions taxes that tack on a few dozen k Euros on the price of a new guzzler like a Mustang, Germany is quite welcoming to these vehicles. I've seen quite a few (<1969, >2005) Mustangs already. 1960s and and 2005+ versions seem to be about equally common, and most are convertibles. I haven't seen a single 1970-2004 Mustang though, not in many years.

This matte blue Mustang, is it the V6 I expect it to be?

2222222222212 > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 07:50

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Wheels and body trim indicate V6. Its cool to see a Mustang over seas, even if it is a pretty weak one.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 08:18

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How do you think the 2.3 ecoboost model will fare tax-wise?

trmoore09 > 2222222222212 06/27/2014 at 08:31

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Yea, the fender emblem reads V6 to me as well.

Milky > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 08:47

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"I haven't seen a single 1970-2004 Mustang" I wish I could say that.

duurtlang > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 06/27/2014 at 08:51

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It's very dependent on the country. In Germany there's no significant tax to speak off, other than VAT. In the Netherlands there's VAT, but also a CO2 emissions tax. You could calculate it here , if you were to enter a decent estimate of the CO2 emissions. Make/model/year/price aren't relevant there, not for the CO2 tax (assuming a brand new car). The closest is probably the Focus ST with the 2.0 Ecoboost. If you pick a 2014 Focus wagon (because extra weight) ST3 you get 169 g/km CO2 and €9378 CO2 tax. If you were to assume a 10% increase of fuel usage for the 2.3 Ecoboost Mustang over the 2.0 Focus you'd have 186 g/km and €11848 in CO2 tax. For comparison: a 2003 Mustang V6 with a slushbox was rated at 287 g/km and would get slapped with €55609 (no typo) in CO2 taxes when using 2014 tax rules. We didn't have CO2 taxes in 2003, but I just mentioned this car as an example. This is for the Netherlands only, obviously.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 09:05

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yeah, the Netherlands i what I was interested in, since I lived there. Thanks for all that! I canNOT believe a damn V6 Mustang get's taxed that much, haha. No wonder there aren't many. Over here there almost nothing short of a throw-away toy. Haha.

duurtlang > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 06/27/2014 at 09:33

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Well, back in 2003 there was no such tax, and besides it's 'only' a tax on a brand new (or newly imported, with a high percentage deducted for age) car. Having said all that, manufacturers have found ways to make cars appear more fuel efficient in the test. I'm sure the 2015 V8 EU market Mustang would be, on paper, far more frugal than the 2003 V6.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 09:35

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AH ok, interesting. The problem I see here though... Wouldn't this dissuade people from buying new cars and opting for 1-3 year old cars instead?

TheStraightSixKid > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 10:25

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I was in my dad hometown in Italy last summer and i saw a black GT500! with grey stripes. At first i thought i was missing MURICA. So i took a second look and their it was hiding in very small Italian driveway glaring back at me. I could not believe my eye's so i took off my glasses to see if it was real. I got out of my aunt's car who was shopping at the time to walk over and see it. It was a sight for sore eye's. After see countless fiat punot's and panda's and other euro shit box city car from the late 80's to late 90's in rapid succession get's so damn boring after a while. To this day i still can't believe it because gas is over 5 euro's a liter not a gallon but a LITER.

duurtlang > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 06/27/2014 at 10:53

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1-3 year old cars were new once. But yes, people do import a lot of used cars from Germany. As they're newly imported you do have to pay the same tax, but less depending on the age of the car.

duurtlang > TheStraightSixKid 06/27/2014 at 10:55

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Gasoline is about 1.5-1.8 euro per liter in western europe. 8-9 dollars a gallon (US). Italy isn't more expensive.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 10:59

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I am thinking as a Dutch person when faced with the decision to get a new car, wouldn't you be highly motivated to go for a lightly used non-imported car on which the tax was already paid?

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > TheStraightSixKid 06/27/2014 at 10:59

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Haha, I've always wanted to take my Taurus SHO to the Netherlands (where I used to live), it'd but a unicorn and a half over there, lol.

DipodomysDeserti > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 11:57

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I have a theory that Germans are the Americans of Europe. This upholds it.

TheStraightSixKid > duurtlang 06/27/2014 at 23:46

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oh well thank for letting me know

duurtlang > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 06/28/2014 at 09:53

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Not any more so than a person from a different country. The tax isn't paid separately, it's added to the purchase price. To a new car buyer this simply means that a €20k car with €5k tax becomes a €25k car. The new car dealer pays the tax (or the importer of the second hand car). The €25k is then the msrp (sp?) consumer price and thus the starting price for depreciation as well, a month old used car will sell for more than the original pre-tax €20k.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > duurtlang 06/30/2014 at 09:36

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Lol yeah, I realize that. But strictly from a car-buying stand point, it makes a LOT of sense to avoid this tax by buying a slightly used car, right?

Which seems to me like it would hurt the new-car-market to some extent